NM: I have one. The second show I ever played with the Clams, we were playing at this tiny bar in Eureka and at some point both Shannon’s bass and vocals cut out. And me and Cody just vamped the song for like five to 10 minutes, just holding it down. And eventually Shannon’s bass came back on and we finished the song, but it was like 15 minutes.

SS: And it was something culty, right?

NM: Yeah, it was the “The Cult Song.” Yeah, we just vamped it, it was great.

THC: So you mentioned “The Cult Song,” and I was listening to “The Bog” on my way here. Would you say there’s an aspect of the occult in your music or just general cult stuff?

CB: Yes.

SS: Yeah, actually I really liked what you said about it yesterday. You were talking about how you relate musically to California. 

CB: When the hippie utopian psychedelia started to get sort of dark in the late ’60s and there were different California cults, some of the music that came from there and music inspired by that stuff is like really relatable. I feel like that’s where “The Bog“ comes from. But I also used to read a lot of H.P. Lovecraft. And I think it’s funny to put it in pop songs. There’s a period of dark psychedelic folk from the West Coast that’s very cool to me.