This kind of disruption I'm talking about can't dissipate too soon, of course, as far as I'm concerned. But the concern about the long range problems--we hope they will carry that with them into their adult lives and keep on trying to do something to correct them.

WINSHIP: Going back to what the university can do -- the governing board of Harvard is about 300 years old.

Do you have any specific ideas about how it should be modernized--if it should be?

PUSEY: You're talking now about the present Fellows--Overseers?

WINSHIP: Overseers--the Corporation . . .

PUSEY: We have two governing boards. Most institutions have one.

I think there's a great deal of misunderstanding--for example, what the role of the president and Fellows is.

This is a group of the president, the treasurer and five other people. It's in their name that the business of the university is conducted.

The five Fellows--their chief responsibility I'd say is to make sure that the institution is properly staffed and that it's possible for the institution to pay its bills.

They do not meddle in the day-to-day activities.

This kind of responsibility has long since been delegated to the different faculties of the university.

They do help to relate the university to the outside world, to protect it, to interpret it, and to try to introduce into the university concerns from the outside world of which there should be an awareness inside.

That kind of activity is an essential part of the health of an institution, and I would hope that something like our governing boards will continue.

LAZARD: Mr. Pusey, the SDS is the biggest and most organized of the disruptive student groups on cmapus. It says it's dedicated to the destruction of the establishment.

It also has said that the university is the brain of the establishment and must therefore be killed off first.