But as I said, we had to weigh that against what we thought would be a prolonged disruption if we didn't do it.

SPIVAK: Dr. Pusey, there are many people who say that what took place at Harvard just couldn't have happened unless there was something fundamentally wrong with the way the university was being run.

Where do you place the blame -- where do you place the responsibility for what happened?

PUSEY: Well I don't know. It's been growing for rather a long period of time--that is, this use of violence in an effort to disrupt.

It started with us in 1966 at the time of the McNamara incident. We had another episode the following year, when the Dow recruiter came to our community and there was a sit-in. We had one in December this year in the Paine Hall incident where students insisted on sitting in the place where there was to be a Faculty meeting.

These efforts have been escalating, and there have been a number of small ones too.

I think it's clear there is a small group of people that is determined to use force and violence.

The thing that makes it possible however is that there exists also a very general discontent and unease in the student body and in the whole community.

It's the combination of these things that makes possible such an incident as the one we've just been experiencing.

SPIVAK: Dr. Pusey, there seems now to be some difference of understanding among the administration, the alumni, the student, the faculty and even the public over what the basic issues are today--now--after all this thing was over with at Harvard University.

You've had a little time to put the whole thing into perspective. What do you now consider the issue which the university and the students and the faculty and the community face?

PUSEY: With me the issue's quite plain.

It's really a matter of tactics, and what are acceptable tactics and what tactics are not acceptable.

There are many issues that deserve to be discussed and that are trouble-some. There's no denying that.

But in a university community you simply cannot resort to force or coercion to try to have things your way without destroying the very nature of the university itself. And this is what we've been trying to say--that there has to be a line.