Our community tried to draw that line as early as the McNamara incident when they said you could not interfere with the free movement of a human being in our society.

Yet some small group of students kept pressing and pressing and pressing--and do not accept the notion that you cannot use violent and disruptive tactics.

I think myself that these people know what they're doing--and they're not interested in keeping the university alive as a place for free discussion.

But that really is the issue. It's whether the university can preserve its nature and go about its business or whether it's going to become just a scene for politicking and squabbling.

JOHNSON: Yes, Mr. Pusey--I would like to get into some of the motivations and causes for student unrest, not only at Harvard but around the country generally.

There seems to be a feeling of some people that this is merely a reflection of a sick society in America.

One of your colleagues, the president of Amherst, wrote President Nixon saying that these are going to continue until some of the basic problems are solvable--riots, racial oppression and the rest.

How do you feel about that?

PUSEY: I think there's a good deal of truth in that. I have sympathy for the large numbers of students who are deeply concerned about problems in our national life and problems in our university life.

My real quarrel is only with those who are interested in disruption and violence to stop the free work and discussion of these ideas in the university.

I don't see how any young person could be alive in the world today and not be worried.

We all look back to the war in Vietnam as a basic source of unhappiness and concern.

There are many other things.

I think the basic feeling that many young people feel is that our society has been serving false gods, if you will, kind of getting and gaining and working all you life or saving up things--and have not paid enough attention to the broader range of humane values in existence.

They also think that the older people are quite insensitive to this range of concerns and they have convinced themselves that the older people are not doing anything to correct it.