WILSON: No, I'm trying to explain what cur decision...

SHEPPARD: Yeah, I just don't see any point in pretending that Mike's in any capacity other than...

WILSON: No, there is a point. The point is that if the man who is accompanying you says that he is in fact not your advisor is here as a CRIMSON reporter, there is no reason we should let him in.

PORTE: Then there's no reason at future hearings why any CRIMSON reporters should not be admitted.

SHEPPARD: That's probably true.

HAUSLER: It's a question of your prerogative because it a CRIMSON reporter just comes here and says, "I want to be admitted to Mr. Sheppard's hearing," we won't let him in. It's your prerogative to determine whether or not you want a closed hearing.

SHEPPARD: So do I have the prerogative to make it an open hearing or not?

WILSON: No. It's your prerogative to ask somebody to come as your advisor. You'll have to decide for yourself by making that statement to what degree this places you under the onus of acting insincerely. This is a problem we can't solve for you. All I can say is that we went over this today and we said if a person wants to bring a person as his advisor he can, even if he's a CRIMSON reporter. But CRIMSON reporters can't come in simply to report.

SHEPPARD: But there's another reason for the hearings not being open other than protecting my rights to a closed hearing.

HAUSLER: Listen, can I just clarify? The reason that we made the decision that we did was to...or the grounds on which we made it was that it's the right of a person to be here and the right of him to bring another person with him whom he may call his advisor and for us to try to define what the other person may do with the information he gets here would be infringing on your rights to bring whoever you want. But it's just a question of trying to adhere to your selection of the person you have with you but just a recognition of the relationship of him to you...

WILSON: We want to put the burden on you of inviting him here so that if another student comes in and we ask, "Did you invite this reporter?" and he says, "No," and the reporter looks at him and says, "Well, do you have any objections to my staying?" the student will not feel he is without defenses, that unless he wants to act like an unusual or secretive fellow, he can exclude the person. We want to put the burden of invitation on the student complained against.

[Long pause by all.]

WILSON: In the previous case it took the whole committee to decide it. We can't reconvene the committee...

HAUSLER: I don't see how we can let Hollander in and not let his substitute in.

[ Just prior to Sheppard's hearing, Barry A. Margolin 70 attended a hearing to answer similar charges. Margolin was accompanied by David N. Hollander 71, also a CRIMSON reporter, who Margolin said was his "advisor." The hearing panel then recessed and the full Committee met and decided to let Hollander remain as long as Margolin claimed he was an advisor. ]