The program's opponents say the biggest problem with the Ivy Council is that the group just doesn't get much done.

Council member David B. Orr '01 says he can't think of a single improvement made at Harvard due to the Ivy Council.

Part of the problem, according to Darling, may be that while the Ivy Council provides its delegates with some information, "it doesn't necessarily provide the information that you need."

Issues that come up at Harvard--such as universal keycard access, Fly-By lunches, and ROTC--are so specific to this campus that they can't necessarily be anticipated and addressed by the Ivy Council, Darling says.

Even former Undergraduate Council Vice President Kamil E. Redmond '00, a former delegate to the conference and supporter of the program, says the conferences have not affected the Undergraduate Council agenda.

"There's no policy that comes out of the Ivy Council," she says.

Alexander A. Boni-Saenz '01--who says he likes the idea of information flowing between student governments in principle--says he's "not sure" that the group has accomplished anything substantial. And in the final analysis, he says adequate funding for student groups might take precedence over the Ivy Council.

"We definitely have to look for places to cut back," Boni-Saenz said. "The Ivy Council may be one of them."