Crimson: Do you think that's part of the reason for Brezhnev's proposal for a freeze, which he promptly rejected two years ago when Carter offered it?

Nacht: The whole Brezhnev posture is probably playing toward concerns of Americans and Europeans that there is a threat of nuclear war. He wants very much to posture his government on the correct side, the peaceful side, and Reagan as the war monger. I think he's done a quite effective job at that.

Sherwin: Reagan's been a big help.

Nacht: Reagan's been a big help. I think in some areas they have superiority, such as in the European theater and therefore....If I were in the Soviet leadership I would want a freeze in Europe also....But anyway, that's all on the superiority front, and digressions or changes of path from de-

'What Reagan has done by his declarative policy is err in the direction of usability and thereby stimulate great public concern. I think that gives him the title of father of the nuclear freeze movement.'

'I don't think that the nuclear arms competition between the two superpowers is some kind of irrational or non-rational behavior pattern. I think it's very much a central element of what I see as the major competitive relationship in international politics.'