H: His argument is that you're so well known, your pluses are as clear as your minuses; that getting one of those 20, who is an undecided type, to vote for you on your positive points is much less likely than getting him to vote against McGovern by scaring him to death about McGovern.

H: One thing Helms did raise. He said, Gray--he asked Gray why they thought they had run into a CIA thing and Gray said because of the characters involved and the amount of money involved, a lot of dough.

2:20 p.m.-2:45 p.m.

H: No problem

P: [Unintelligible]

H: Well, it was kind of interest. Walters made the point and I didn't mention Hunt, I just said that the thing was leading into directions that were going to create potential problems because they were exploring leads that led back into areas that would be harmful to the CIA and harmful to the government [unintelligible] didn't have anything to do [unintelligible].

[Telephone]

P: Chuck? I wonder if you would give John Connally a call. He's on his trip--I don't want him to read it in the paper before Monday about this quota thing and say--look, we're going to do this, but that I checked, I asked you about the situation [unintelligible] had an understanding it was only temporary and ah [unintelligible] O.K.? I just don't want him to read it in the papers. Good. Fine.

H: [Unintelligible] I think Helms did to [unintelligible] said, I've had no--

P: God [unintelligible].

H: Gray called and said, yesterday, and said that he thought--

P: Who did? Gray?

H: Gray called Helms and said I think we've run right into the middle of a CIA covert operation.

P: Gray said that?

H: Yeah. And [unintelligible] said nothing we've done at this point and ah [unintelligible] says well it sure looks to me like it is [unintelligible] and ah, that was the end of that conversation [unintelligible] the problem is it tracks back to the Bay of Pigs and it tracks back to some other the leads run out to people who had no involvement in this except by contracts and connection, but it gets to areas that are liable to be realized. The whole problem [unintelligible] Hunt. So at that point he kind of got the picture. He said, he said we'll be very happy to be helpful [unintelligible] handle anything you want. I would like to know the reason for being helpful, and I made it clear to him he wasn't going to get explicit [unintelligible] generality, and he said fine. And Walters [unintelligible] Walters is going to make a call to Gray. That's the way we put it and that's the way it was left.