About the second question--organizing black workers--Gulf doesn't have very many black workers. Recently Gulf bid for the franchise on municipal oil in Dayton. Ohio. They were refused on the grounds that they were discovered to be an unequal employer. In addition, the City Council took note of Gulf's activities in Angola.

Guimares: All of these questions of social welfare under Gulf are irrelevant to the Angolan people. They don't want more schools, or whatever, that Gulf says it will provide. They want their own country.

Van Lierop: One more thing. As long as Portugal is in control, if Gulf goes out, then another oil company will come in But that doesn't mean we don't struggle against Gulf. If Gulf goes out and Esso goes in, we struggle against Esso. If Esso goes out and Shell goes in, we struggle against Shell. Our goal is to get them all out. Gulf is there right now, so that's what we're concentrating on. Harvard is a large Gulf shareholder, and that's why we're concentrating on, Harvard is a large Gulf shareholder, and that's why we're concentrating on Harvard. We don't buy for one minute the argument that since there are others that will go in so why should we come out. It's the same as a theif saying "If I don't rob you, someone else will." That's the same line of argument that Harvard is using about how it ought to remain in Gulf as a "responsible shareholder."

Voice from audience: That's know as the real bastard theory. If I don't do it then a real bastard will.

Van Lierop: Harvard has got to learn that it's not dealing with just 600 black students. It's dealing with thirty million black people in this country. It's dealing with a lot of progressive whites in this country, who are watching Harvard. Every day...strip away that liberal veneer, and expose it as what it is. It's up to Harvard now to respond. If it doesn't respond, we're not about to give up. We're going to keep coming back.

Guimares: I will be going back home soon. I will let the Angolan people know that there are people here who are concerned about their situation. You actions in favor of the struggle against Gulf here at Harvard will certainly please the people of my country