Jeff quickly qualified himself.

"We aren't just musicians. If you're going to play for people, you have to try to reach them."

"That's what being an entertainer is," Lenny interrupted.

Jeff continued: "I never wanted to be an entertainer. All I wanted to do was sing. What the hell do I want to be an entertainer for?" And then finally: "But I'm going to have to accept the fact that that's what I am."

The conversation bounced on. We were curious how important the audience should be to a band.

"You can't let yourself get so much into your own ego trip that you ignore the audience," said Lenny. He was adamant. "This is the last thing you should let happen. If you do, there's no reason for you to be up there."

"That's the difference between an amateur and a professional," he added. "When you're a professional you've got to put out a good show all the time."

"Like a poet who recites a poem before an audience: he may do it so many nights that he just doesn't feel like it every time. But he has to display the mannerisms and tone of voice which give the audience the feeling in the poem. He's got to put on a good act."

"You should always do the best for the audience of what you can do.