The 25 speakers at yesterday's meeting argued on several recurring themes:

the "democracy" of the election election procedure. In presenting his plan, Fainsod called it a "modified elective system." He said the Dean-who would have to work with the Council-would have "some power of initiative," while the Faculty retained final rights to approve or reject his choices.

But Edwin E. Moise, James Bryant Conant Professor of Education and Mathematics, said that Faculty decorum would soon turn the system into a purely appointive set-up. And several professors-especially those who had come from universities with PR election systems-said "the time for democracy has come"

Politicization of the Faculty

"politicization" of the Faculty and the Dean. Arrow said that his plan would present all political interests and would therefore remove the incentive to form organized political groups within the Faculty. He said it would also remove a potential source of friction between the Dean and the Faculty by taking the Dean out of the nomination process. In Fainsod's system, he said, the elections would turn into votes of confidence in the Dean.

Andrew M. Gleason, professor of Mathematics, challenged Arrow's claim that PR would reduce political tension. He said it would actually encourage more campaigning. And another Faculty member said that regular tests of confidence in the Dean would be an advantage, not a drawback;

Faculty Pluralism

making the Council representative-Fainsod and several others said that the Dean would be best able to choose a group representative of political, educational, and departmental interests. Bruce Chalmers, Master of Winthrop House, said that "the Dean sees the Faculty from another point of view; he can take different considerations into account." Chalmers added that the current CEP-whose members are appointed-is "far from a monolith."

Hollis B. Chenery, professor of Economics, replied that a PR election would "be simple and would seem to be fair ... It is hard for the Dean to be as fair as a representative process." Sims said the PR system was the only way to keep a disciplined minority from taking over the elections.

Representative Council

the importance of representation on the Council-Arrow said that "if there is a conflict on the Faculty, it shold be represented on the Council ... In times when there have to be quick decisions, the Faculty should feel that the Council's decisions represent the Faculty's feelings." The Council's "legitimacy" would suffer if the otherwise, he said.

However, James Q. Wilson, professor of Government, pointed out that all the Councils decisions would be subject to final scrutiny by the full Faculty. He said that all arguments for exact proportional representation would be more important if the Council were to become some kind of Faculty Senate, with full legislative power.

Both sides agreed at the end of the meeting to postpone a vote and give the Faculty more time to think over the issues.

When the Faculty meets again on Nov. 18, Fainsod's committee will present the rest of its proposals, including creating a Docket Committee for the Faculty, forming four student-Faculty Committees, and inereasing the Faculty's role in many administrative matters.