(As follows are two versions of a discussion yesterday morning between Richard E. Hyland '69-3, a member of the Strike Steering Committee, and Hugh D. Calkins '45, a member of the Harvard Corporation. Although Hyland is a member of the CRIMSON, he was not acting as a CRIMSON representative in the discussion).

Hyland

The following are direct quotations from Hugh Calkins, a member of the Harvard Corporation, given in an interview with a student in the Kirkland House Dining Room, on the morning of Wednesday, April 16, 1969.

Student: "If all of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences and students voted to abolish ROTC, would you?"

Calkins: "No, it's not written within the Faculty's jurisdiction."

Student: "Do you realize that if the Faculty voted to abolish ROTC and you refused, you'd have 100 Faculty resignations the next day?"

Calkins: "Yes, we do, we know what we're doing."

Calkins: "If the Faculty votes against ROTC, it is clearly a statement against the Vietnam war. We will not accept it regardless of the consequences. We will not accept the pressure of anyone to get rid of ROTC because we think it's good thing...

"We would never delegate our authority to decide on ROTC to any other group. We would never, in effect, say that any issue was "too hot" for us to handle. We would, however, taken into consideration the opinions of the various Faculties, 11 of them, in making our decision.

"We are certainly more concerned with the substance of guaranteeing minority rights to those who want to join ROTC. If we have to make contracts to do that we will...

"We have to co-operate with the government and we cannot refuse that cooperation merely because of details. We think it's a necessary thing to train Harvard people for the Army in order to have both civilian and military officers."

Calkins also told us about another area of University cooperation with the Government:

Calkins "Every year the Harvard Business School trains 200 Defense Department employees for management."

Calkins

At breakfast this morning in Kirkland House I spent nearly an hour talking with students about the current crisis. I tried to explain fully my views on ROTC, Harvard expansion, and the structure of the University.